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Petra Liverani's avatar

My assumption is always that nothing is private on the internet. Even if a genuine person or group set up a private network how could you be sure that it wouldn't be hacked or infiltrated? Fortunately in my own case, I have nothing to say privately that I wouldn't say publicly even, of course, if what I want to say publicly doesn't go down too well in certain quarters. I do feel for people who want to engage in some privacy though. Maybe they're better off messaging by pigeon :) but then they'd probably be on to that too.

So at 9:22am Marina Matsapulina heard a much louder noise?

It's always layer upon layer of magic propaganda dust, isn't it?

Michael Ginsburg's avatar

Ultimately, I think Telegram gained legitimacy for the same reason some portray Putin as an antidote to the globalist agenda (a.k.a “Putin fighting the globalists”).

Putin is a corrupt tyrant but he is also Russian which people instinctively assume means he is in opposition to the western elites.

Likewise, Durov is a billionaire tech mogul (founder of VK, the “Facebook of Russia”) but he is also Russian which people instinctively assume means he is in opposition to the western “Big Tech” players.

We MUST move beyond our collective obsession of picking sides based solely on one’s nationality, religion or skin colour.

Our collective enemy is most often referred to as GLOBALISTS. There is a reason for that name!

Yeowoman's avatar

Isnt that extreme tho ? Its important to live well locally but we always did pay some heed to global issues . I think we've always had to balance localism with globalism . Equally we've always needed 'masons' of some kind or another . Society needs ideas people and people who construct its structures to some degree. The issue seems to me to be about balance and we are losing the healthy balance at this point.

Michael Ginsburg's avatar

Why do we need globalism? Give me one reason!

Do you understand what Globalism means in this context?

Yeowoman's avatar

some degree of thinking and planning globally is obviously needed. if you spray something over your sky it will end up in my sky.. if you kill all your fish they wont migrate to my rivers .. some significant degree of global networking is needed . its about balance.

Michael Ginsburg's avatar

What you are referring to is global cooperation done on a voluntary basis.

This is definitely needed and I have no issue with that but that's NOT "Globalism".

Globalism is a single agenda forced on all the nations of the world and their people through globalist institutions in order to enable a small elite to TAKE OVER THE PLANET with the ultimate endgame being the removal of nation states and establishment of one world government/governance system.

If you think the above has any benefit or role to play in the future of our species, I'd be very keen to hear your reasoning.

Yeowoman's avatar

its about degrees of global effort .. I'm like a LoTR character thinking its better to have a group of differing cultures unite rather than one corona ring to rule them all ... but there will be a need for certain global efforts. What I dont know is if they tried all that and see globalism as our last chance to get things right .

Yeowoman's avatar

cooperation hasnt worked so far has it .. its a lovely ideal . the trust doesnt exist so it would be naive to bank on it. some things would need to be firmly entrenched to make people accord. How much of that I dont know. reading the various sums it looks like we are doing very very badly at agreeing to cooperate. How much globalists have contributed to this i dont know.. but i know we are messing up a tonne of things globally and we'd need to be very committed to start solving that . I mean what do you do if one country decides to build a huge dam to get very energy rich and turn its neighbours into a desert ?? you can say ' be nice' or 'play fair' .. but would people ? clearly some global rules need to prevent excesses .. but how ??

Michael Ginsburg's avatar

Look, you make a valid point but what enforcement mechanism do you propose...and who enforces the enforcers?

Either way, whatever we have now cannot continue!

Chris Kanon's avatar

And before I forget: substack is a honeypot. Is nothing sacred 😂

Susan Creed's avatar

I once heard that Substack is a kill box and that makes total sense to me. I don’t believe that there is a platform that allows pretty much anything that is not controlled by the globalists. We are just in a controlled area that’s all; reach and ‘contamination’ are limited. Still, you can accept that and still make use of it.

Frances Leader's avatar

I call Substack a ghetto. Here we are corralled together - out of the public view - harmless to the totalitarians.

Susan Creed's avatar

Yes, spot on. But it has been tremendously useful to me personally because I’ve seen/read stuff that I wouldn’t have had access to anywhere else. So, I can live with that.

Frances Leader's avatar

I had a back channel providing me with content from Telegram, I admit. There have been some awesome activists there from day one. But I prefer the team here.

Frances Leader's avatar

This is a beautiful and thorough post, many thanks!

I lost count of the number of times I warned against Telegram. My son (computer coder) looked at it and said it was wide open - not at all encrypted and he forbade me to open an account.

Later - I searched Telegram Terrorist and the number of arrests and court cases which came up was eye-watering. People were getting busted everywhere for posts written on Telegram.

I feel very sorry for anyone who fell for the hype. Hopefully, they will not be so easily fooled in the future.

As for Pavel Durov - I bet he is NOT in prison! He is probably staying with Macron in some fancy chateau, sipping champers and laughing all the way to the bank, like all these wannabe globalist totalitarian predators.

Kip's avatar

Interesting that he is called the 303rd richest person in the world. There's that '33' again. Total spook.

PhilH's avatar

Saying Durov is an honest developer of secure apps is like saying Sam Bankman-Fried is a trustworthy banker (if such a thing were even possible.)

Pasheen Stonebrooke's avatar

there are no safe places for dissidents, or for anyone, for that matter...there never has been...

thx, great dig, Sarah!!!

time to make My Space Great Again?

Susan Creed's avatar

I thought the whole arrest thing was a psyop from the beginning. Just my good ol’ gut reaction. He even looks like a AI creation. 🤣

An Observer (Teresa L)'s avatar

Agree. Quit Tg soon after someone exposed that backdoor for hacking. No “billionaire” (so they say) gets there by honest, uncompromised means.

Rick Olivier's avatar

"Privacy" is a joke. There is none. Hide in a cave in the Yukon with a cellphone and "we can pinpoint your location within five meters". Proton is a joke. Switzerland! Yeah, sure, we can trust the Swiss! For what, chocolate. I use Proton but only due to my loathing of all thing "Alphabet".

Zombie Nation's avatar

Putin was himself a young global leader so it's just entrapment schemes, it seems.

Chris Kanon's avatar

Next you'll be outing proton mail

Chris Kanon's avatar

Now that I read further I see you already did

CopperVortex's avatar

yeah, i heard a couple of years ago Signal is not secure, of course. Prontonmail is based in Switzerland, so there you go. We can't rely on any big tech.

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Yeowoman's avatar

Assange's circle recommended it too i recall . Thing is if the very rich want to bully everyone what likelihood is there for an app to be libertarian ? parler was shut down and i worry with these smaller companies that close down what becomes of the data they stored ?

Rick Olivier's avatar

haha. I hope that's sarcasm.

Cally Starforth's avatar

There is no privacy online it is all controlled ultimately through DAARPA and intelligence agencies. People are never gonna wake upntgo the fact that ofbyounwant to bring down the NWO then there is a very simple answer as to how to do that. Ditch your smartphone .

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

Thank You! I smelled a rat when They first "arrested" Him and looked around, finding His WEF background and felt the rat smell was spot on.

Nobody's avatar

Theres a reason social media is Free and its not cuz they want to hear peoples opinions. Its so they can trend and track the users postings any way they want and do with that information what they will. Avoid Social media platforms as they are means to entrap people angered by the willfully unaccountable clowns foisting garbage policies on their national publics.

Rebecca Culshaw Smith's avatar

I haven’t looked into this at all, but now I will. Thank you for this - very eye opening.

Christopher Messina's avatar

No shit. Er, I mean, duh.

What silly person ever thought a stream of information would be secure? People over time have gone through elaborate means to double and triple encrypt written messages. Nothing electronic is ever truly secure.

And now we know that messages passed in person after getting a pager message carries its own risks.